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Posted - 2013.09.05 18:08:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Jill, there's very little reason to reason to fit a medium repper for _veteran_ incursion runners. Why? Fittings have little issues. Cap? Not a significant issue. You should know better.
Repair amount aren't purely numbers to look at, you need to look at armor repair balance when you need to spread out your reps sometimes. 1 large + 1 med simply does not cut it. Understand the basic teamwork that's involved when pairing reps. You get 4 spreads. Don't screw around under-repping targets because : a) you or other logis may need to commit another large repper to compensate, effectively denying its use for the others or as reserve. b) you'll annoy your other logi partner(s).
Fleet standard and consistency is important. Once you start teaching people that med reppers are ok, it'll send the wrong message. Yes, I get the people who wants to fit med reps to min-max cap because the 4th repper is sometimes rarely used, however, a SOLID fleet runs on 4 large. The same way you can get away with running a 1 slot tank Paladin, it doesn't mean you can use in normal public fleets.
The major aim for the eve-survival fits is to work towards standardized fits that works, whilst optimally balanced in defence and dps. It's not about hardcore min-max. Medium reps on logis will never be accepted as a standard for public fleets, there's simply no compelling case for it.
tl;dr - Getting away with something is different from what works as a standard.
Another thing, Exp resist is completely unecessary for the Oneiros, which truly wastes a slot. Oh, don't take my word it, run the numbers and test it yourself. Do your homework.
In case you missed the math at the very beginning, a deadspace A type medium repper gives pretty close to the amount that a meta 4 large does ( about 80%), and one a-type medium/3 T2 large setup gives more total rep power than 4 meta 4 large, while using far less capacitor and powergrid. So for the making one other logi have to use an extra rep to compensate, that is no more true than it would be of an all meta 4 large onei, which is supposedly a perfectly acceptable fit. It's not a message of "medium reppers are just as good as large, so you can start using 4 medium reppers now", it's a message of "it's possible get more out of this ship by thinking outside the goddamn box and having one as shiny as possible medium repper and using the fitting needs I save from that to increase my strengths elsewhere, also all without having to use implants just for fitting."
If 4 meta 4 large can make the cut, then 3 T2 large and 1 deadspace medium can make the same cut just as well. I'd rather have a person who can be shown a fit and be able say "this does it better" than someone who just accepts it blindly.
tl;dr - Standard fits are meant to be basic starting points for noob's fits, which people with experience can and should improve upon, and this is an improvement.
Another thing, despite onei's high kin res and low sig radius making up for explosive hole in all but mom fleets, the explosive membrane is to meet TDF's (overtanked) standards of above 70% in all resists. Do your homework. |